now, the way the budgets are allocated, they do not foster innovation. you can go to pretty much any agency in any city in this country, okay, and their planning budget, their project plan has been set up for the next three to five years. it doesn't foster innovation. and so having, creating an entity that is empowered, okay, to find innovation, to drive innovation across these agencies that has a budge is one -- budget is one of the steps to get there. >> and a few cities have created the office of innovation attached to the mayor -- >> right. >> to get the innovative process, and maybe that's one step. >> i, i don't know detroit that well, but it seems to me that, you know, those ideas could work, but i'm not sure if they require all the investment from the kind of top down solutions. and, you know, i don't know if they are the key solutions here. ..